don't have it all built yet, we're talking about payments and financial transactions, now a target rich environment for hackers. so until you really strip this down and start over again and build a secure infrastructure, this is not safe to use. one of the memos we introduced in the hearing was a finding by the c.i.o. that said the threat and risk potential is limitless. yet the site is still operating and has eight months to fix the finding. jenna: you're saying the only way to fix this is start over? there's no way to do the necessary repairs to ever make this safe? >> there's an old saying that says it costs $1 to fix it before it's launched. there's no way to fix a plane in flight. we're not politically driven. i don't care what their policies are. when they said what's the best way to do it, you have to rebuild the site. for $600 million, you would think it would be at least secure. jenna: one of the things the viewers have probably heard from a variety different talking points on both sides, willingly admitting that for sure as fact but one of the things we continue to hear is, you know, even